Two For Grace: Noop! Rank the following TV shows based on season premiere- Agents of SHIELD, Gotham, Arrow, The Flash.
Noop Gingrich: I'm gonna put SHIELD first, then The Flash, followed by Gotham, then Arrow. Arrow continues it streak of being a garbage show.
TFG: I can't defend the Arrow. I've never seen it.
Noop: Let's not forget we also have to add Constantine and Agent Carter when they come out.
TFG: Constantine. Is that about the 40 year old that's stuck in a teenage body?
Noop: What's the joke here aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand [TFG: constant teen]. Got it. This conversation would work better as a Google chat and less dictation and pausing for their further dictation and more pausing and editing and more pausing
TFG: True but I hate my voice. My order is the same. Arrow last, but that's also because I haven't seen it and it looks like it's probably garbage. But it is CW.
Noop: CW as in good or bad? Because Supernatural is CW and that show is phenomenal, but then again that was WB.
TFG: Gilmore Girls was a WB show. Was there ever a Gilmore Girls/Supernatural crossover?
Noop: Actually Supernatual is basically a Gilmore Girls spinoff. Supernatual is the result of smashing Smallville and Gilmore Girls into one show.
TFG: CW has a target audience. I've never figured out what that target is.
Noop: Probably puberty. What CWness did you see from the Flash? Was it how there was a clear love quadrangle that they ever so obviously constructed?
TFG: That a CW thing?
Noop: Yup. It's what skunked up Arrow when I first watched it. Everyone has a secret relationship. That megacrap Supernatural spinoff was ripe with love affairs that we should "care" about. While I did enjoy a lot of what the Flash brought, they clearly had that love dependence flowing through the main characters. I'll say this about Arrow, it's generally well cast and the story has potential but the obnoxious flashbacks, the looking off into widows expressing all sorts of emotions and most importantly, the lack of an arrow cam are offensive and I hate it.
Noop: CW as in good or bad? Because Supernatural is CW and that show is phenomenal, but then again that was WB.
TFG: Gilmore Girls was a WB show. Was there ever a Gilmore Girls/Supernatural crossover?
Noop: Actually Supernatual is basically a Gilmore Girls spinoff. Supernatual is the result of smashing Smallville and Gilmore Girls into one show.
TFG: CW has a target audience. I've never figured out what that target is.
Noop: Probably puberty. What CWness did you see from the Flash? Was it how there was a clear love quadrangle that they ever so obviously constructed?
TFG: That a CW thing?
Noop: Yup. It's what skunked up Arrow when I first watched it. Everyone has a secret relationship. That megacrap Supernatural spinoff was ripe with love affairs that we should "care" about. While I did enjoy a lot of what the Flash brought, they clearly had that love dependence flowing through the main characters. I'll say this about Arrow, it's generally well cast and the story has potential but the obnoxious flashbacks, the looking off into widows expressing all sorts of emotions and most importantly, the lack of an arrow cam are offensive and I hate it.
TFG: What the hell is an arrow cam?
Noop: You use it when you pull the arrow back and then you fire it but the camera follows the arrow either from the tail going to the target or from the head going away from the shooter into the target, kind a like how they do for Hawkeye in The Avengers and in Wimbledon, that movie about love and tennis with Paul Bettany.
TFG: Maybe we should be making a podcast... I agree Avengers really grabbed everything that Wimbledon established and just took off with it.
Noop: I'm glad to see the trend continue with Avengers 2. And they'll finally get Paul Bettany on screen too. Now, they didn't have Arrow cam in the Arrow pilot and that's sad but it's season 3 now and those punks still haven't realized it should be the number one camera trick they use non stop in a freaking show called Arrow. With the Flash however, they did good. They had slow mo ready to go. If there was one thing the Flash had to have, it's that sweet sweet nonsensical slow mo. Now, what would you say that Gotham does that is not CW-like? Its on FOX and while they do cancel great shows, they still get them on air and they allow great stories to be written.
TFG: Well with any luck Gotham will be just not great enough to cancel. I don't even know how to describe it yet. I'm not quite sure what the mood was they were trying to capture. It's, like, dark and gritty but also goofy. It's like the Haunted Mansion of comic television adaptations.
Noop: I did get a Batman The Animated Series vibe coming from it.
TFG: Great point. I've always been a Harvey Bullock fan. He is probably my favorite part of the show so far.
Noop: I actually really dig the casting. Ben McKenzie [Det. Gordon] will be great. Lemme add one thing that irked me about the pilot and it was a holdover from the Nolan Movies. Gordon never put his coat around little Bruce's shoulders. I'm so pissed about that.
TFG: In the movie Gordon wasn't a detective yet, right? He also was already sportting the 'stache?
Noop: Yeah. Wonder if Gordon's 'stache will be treated like Clark Kent wearing the suit and flying in Smallville. Saving it for the last minute of the last episode.
TFG: I'm sure that is what everyone will be waiting for while watching the series.
TFG: Well with any luck Gotham will be just not great enough to cancel. I don't even know how to describe it yet. I'm not quite sure what the mood was they were trying to capture. It's, like, dark and gritty but also goofy. It's like the Haunted Mansion of comic television adaptations.
Noop: I did get a Batman The Animated Series vibe coming from it.
TFG: Great point. I've always been a Harvey Bullock fan. He is probably my favorite part of the show so far.
Noop: I actually really dig the casting. Ben McKenzie [Det. Gordon] will be great. Lemme add one thing that irked me about the pilot and it was a holdover from the Nolan Movies. Gordon never put his coat around little Bruce's shoulders. I'm so pissed about that.
TFG: In the movie Gordon wasn't a detective yet, right? He also was already sportting the 'stache?
Noop: Yeah. Wonder if Gordon's 'stache will be treated like Clark Kent wearing the suit and flying in Smallville. Saving it for the last minute of the last episode.
TFG: I'm sure that is what everyone will be waiting for while watching the series.
Noop: Has to be, Bruce cant go Batmaning until, like, 20 years from now and it's just unfeasible for a genre show to last that long. Last up, we both agree that Agents of SHIELD was the top premiere, yes?
TFG: Yeah. It's still running off the glorious steam it gained by the end of Season 1,
Noop: -hot damn such steamy steam.
TFG: ...and I will say, I am already liking the additions to the cast.
Noop: Good show.
TFG: Great show.
Noop: Yeah. When do the second episodes come out for all these shows?
TFG: Like 2 weeks ago I think.
Noop: You're right. I've already seen them.
TFG: Yeah. It's still running off the glorious steam it gained by the end of Season 1,
Noop: -hot damn such steamy steam.
TFG: ...and I will say, I am already liking the additions to the cast.
Noop: Good show.
TFG: Great show.
Noop: Yeah. When do the second episodes come out for all these shows?
TFG: Like 2 weeks ago I think.
Noop: You're right. I've already seen them.
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